Like Bush or not (and I do not), he is still the President of the United States. Like Obama or not (and I do not), he is also the President of the United States now and I would be every bit as annoyed at someone throwing a shoe at him as I am by this.
I would like to note that it seems Bush may be getting some pointers from Bill Clinton judging by how deft his dodge was :)
Well we know I don't like Bush either. I wouldn't personally throw a shoe at him, but I think his response was hilarious. He's like a comedian and doesn't even know he's funny.
And Clinton wasn't deft at all. He got caught and lied about it and did a horrible job of trying to get out of it.
He certainly makes his fair share of gaffs and they are very entertaining but, if anything, it shows that we have made progress in Iraq....think about it....before the war, that man would have been dead moments after he was off camera.....unless the executioner was feeling creative.
You know, for someone who claims to not be a fan of his, you do spend a great deal of time defending him, all under the umbrella of "He's our president, it's the American thing to do." I am very curious to see if you will still be as patriotic when Obama takes office. ;-)
I do like some of the things that Bush has done during his 8 years....I feel that the best way to make sure we were not attacked again was to go on the offensive. The weaker responses have historically only led to more devastating attacks.
I hate the fact that he has grown government so much.....you know me, I am a small government, 10th Amendment guy.....States' Rights, baby.....
Obama has said some things that give me hope....I think it was one of his speachs in Indiana when he said that parents need to start parenting and not be so reliant on the school systems to teach our kids everything that will ever learn.....
I object to the underhanded nationalization of the banking and now the automotive industries "Car Czar = Minister of Automobiles" and that lays at the feet of Bush and Obama as much as it did McCain when bank "bail out" happened despite the will of the American people.
If Obama will shrink government, make us more fiscally responsible and at least maintain national security without stepping on people's rights, I will sing his praises and cast my vote for him in 2012 (assuming that there is not a "better candidate").....but I don't foresee that.....I hope that I am wrong.....and I will do what I can to make myself wrong.
However, if Obama and the Democratic Congress move us further towards Socialism....then I will be one of the first in line to call it....but let someone take joy in a shoe being thrown at him......and I will blast them for it just the same.
I don't support Bush for anything based upon the fact that he is the President and we must follow. What I am saying is that the office of the President of the United States of America is one that he would support and defend.
When I swore to upport and defend the Constitution, I didn't get to have a caveat that said "so long as I like the Commander in Chief"....and that oath holds true today as it did then.
I am a patriot first and foremost.....I am a Conservative by definition....maybe its better to say that I am a Federalist.....a Constitutionalist.....the Constitution is the foundation for this federal government and it needs to guide ever action taken by it.....sadly, it does not....with luck, it will again someday soon.
I do read your posts. I didn't know you were waiting for me to respond.
I found the idea of Bush getting shoes thrown at him funny.
1) Because it was Bush. I don't like him, I think he is a ridiculous representation of our country. I find him unintelligent, a puppet of an outdated and parochial administration that needs to be changed. He is a joke, an embarrassment in my opinion. I don't agree with the way Iraq was handled, I don't agree with the way Katrina was handled, I don't agree with his big business cuddle-tax program or his pro-life, mono-religious stance on the social issues that matter to me.
2) Because shoe-throwing strikes me as funny, probably because of Eddie Murphy, who used to do this great bit about how his mother was a marksman with her shoes.
It does matter to me who is the President, and on that basis, my own opinion, I decide to what degree I have respect for him. I cannot with good conscience defend a man who I have these strong feelings about simply because he holds office (here is where we differ the most. If he were kidnapped and tortured, I would be very angry though). Sometimes politicians are not good people and do not deserve the position they find themselves in. In my opinion, Bush does not deserve to represent us, especially overseas.
Yes, I understand that he does. And I do think that man should be prosecuted under the laws of his country for what he did. As I understand it, shoe throwing is seen as more of an insult than an actual assault. Our societies are very different.
I can say with real honesty that if someone threw their shoes at an ambassador or a senator that I didn't know, I would be far angrier. It is funny to me because it is Bush. I am sure lots of people, Americans included, would like to chuck a loafer at him.
I also understand that you and I will never see eye to eye on politics, and really, I'm okay with that. I never engage you on the subject, I only respond to you and wait until we reach the inevitable impasse.
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Date: 2008-12-15 06:16 am (UTC)The following link also tickled me a bit!
http://iamostwentcrazytryingtosyncthis.ytmnd.com/
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Date: 2008-12-15 11:21 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-15 12:44 pm (UTC)I would like to note that it seems Bush may be getting some pointers from Bill Clinton judging by how deft his dodge was :)
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Date: 2008-12-15 01:01 pm (UTC)And Clinton wasn't deft at all. He got caught and lied about it and did a horrible job of trying to get out of it.
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Date: 2008-12-15 09:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-15 09:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-12-16 03:57 pm (UTC)I do like some of the things that Bush has done during his 8 years....I feel that the best way to make sure we were not attacked again was to go on the offensive. The weaker responses have historically only led to more devastating attacks.
I hate the fact that he has grown government so much.....you know me, I am a small government, 10th Amendment guy.....States' Rights, baby.....
Obama has said some things that give me hope....I think it was one of his speachs in Indiana when he said that parents need to start parenting and not be so reliant on the school systems to teach our kids everything that will ever learn.....
I object to the underhanded nationalization of the banking and now the automotive industries "Car Czar = Minister of Automobiles" and that lays at the feet of Bush and Obama as much as it did McCain when bank "bail out" happened despite the will of the American people.
If Obama will shrink government, make us more fiscally responsible and at least maintain national security without stepping on people's rights, I will sing his praises and cast my vote for him in 2012 (assuming that there is not a "better candidate").....but I don't foresee that.....I hope that I am wrong.....and I will do what I can to make myself wrong.
However, if Obama and the Democratic Congress move us further towards Socialism....then I will be one of the first in line to call it....but let someone take joy in a shoe being thrown at him......and I will blast them for it just the same.
I don't support Bush for anything based upon the fact that he is the President and we must follow. What I am saying is that the office of the President of the United States of America is one that he would support and defend.
When I swore to upport and defend the Constitution, I didn't get to have a caveat that said "so long as I like the Commander in Chief"....and that oath holds true today as it did then.
I am a patriot first and foremost.....I am a Conservative by definition....maybe its better to say that I am a Federalist.....a Constitutionalist.....the Constitution is the foundation for this federal government and it needs to guide ever action taken by it.....sadly, it does not....with luck, it will again someday soon.
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Date: 2008-12-17 01:42 am (UTC)I found the idea of Bush getting shoes thrown at him funny.
1) Because it was Bush. I don't like him, I think he is a ridiculous representation of our country. I find him unintelligent, a puppet of an outdated and parochial administration that needs to be changed. He is a joke, an embarrassment in my opinion. I don't agree with the way Iraq was handled, I don't agree with the way Katrina was handled, I don't agree with his big business cuddle-tax program or his pro-life, mono-religious stance on the social issues that matter to me.
2) Because shoe-throwing strikes me as funny, probably because of Eddie Murphy, who used to do this great bit about how his mother was a marksman with her shoes.
It does matter to me who is the President, and on that basis, my own opinion, I decide to what degree I have respect for him. I cannot with good conscience defend a man who I have these strong feelings about simply because he holds office (here is where we differ the most. If he were kidnapped and tortured, I would be very angry though). Sometimes politicians are not good people and do not deserve the position they find themselves in. In my opinion, Bush does not deserve to represent us, especially overseas.
Yes, I understand that he does. And I do think that man should be prosecuted under the laws of his country for what he did. As I understand it, shoe throwing is seen as more of an insult than an actual assault. Our societies are very different.
I can say with real honesty that if someone threw their shoes at an ambassador or a senator that I didn't know, I would be far angrier. It is funny to me because it is Bush. I am sure lots of people, Americans included, would like to chuck a loafer at him.
I also understand that you and I will never see eye to eye on politics, and really, I'm okay with that. I never engage you on the subject, I only respond to you and wait until we reach the inevitable impasse.